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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back to truth seekers

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for so long now people have asked me to

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do some kind of an update on this anjali

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story

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but i kept saying there's nothing really

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new to talk about she claimed that she

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would bring

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experiences

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that fizzled out and never happened

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uh and it's interesting that people like

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me and a few others like charlie weiser

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had

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people blamed us

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the reason they can't go to the mountain

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is because you pissed off that wayne guy

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no that's not the case

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and tonight we are gonna

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see an update of what has happened

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since the uh

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expedition failed apparently

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you know i knew that it would be

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a good possibility that someday

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the people that anjali talked about in

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her story

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wayne and trisha remember it was wayne

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who owned a mountain

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where there was apparently a tunnel dug

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into it into an alien base and tricia

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his wife i knew eventually somebody may

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get to them

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and interestingly

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anjali had threatened to sue one charlie

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weiser who you may recall from 3 dollar

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kit

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dot weebly dot com

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and charlie weiser covers betty and

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barney hill travis walton anjali and

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many other stories from a very skeptical

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viewpoint um but i have found her work

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to be very very factually accurate if

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you go and check her work

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it's always really really excellent

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research

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well sourced

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and i trust that what she's reporting

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recently about the angelis story to be

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very very accurate

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and essentially what she reports is that

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because angeli

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threatened to sue

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she did not reach out to wayne and

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based on anjali threatening to sue

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charlie wiser they didn't think that was

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right so they apparently reached out to

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and we've got all the information about

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what they said

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largely refutes everything that anjali

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stated as facts in her

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alien experience story

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interesting that we get

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the other perspective the other side of

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the story after all

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she heavily involved these people in her

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story

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she met them in a coffee shop they took

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her back to their house

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where she claimed she was shown a tunnel

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into a secret alien base and had all

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these alien experiences but tonight

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we're gonna find out perhaps that the

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reality of what truly happened is not

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quite that fantastic

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joining me

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and this will be proof that we let

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anybody on this show

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really anybody

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so joining me tonight to help break this

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down and and i wanted to have a

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discussion with someone else that has

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sort of been following the story see

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what they thought about these

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new revelations from charlie wiser that

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refute all of anjalee's story so uh

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you know him probably best uh from the

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who's lou documentary who's lou

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movie.com uh a recent very controversial

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documentary about lou elizondo

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so we have manny tonight from area 503

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let's bring him in here we've had him

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sobering up in the green room are you

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ready to go you get some coffee in you

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you sober enough you okay

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oh perfect man and thanks for putting a

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plug in for who's lou that saves me the

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effort of having to do it

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yeah that's the least that i could do

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you know uh so it's who's lou movie.com

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i highly recommend it

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go see what all the controversy is about

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i don't want to harp on this but listen

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show hosts that even just talked about

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this movie with manny here got doxxed

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threatened intimidated copyright striked

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it's it's amazing so at the very least

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a movie that people are so intent on you

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not watching

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a movie i'm gonna i'm gonna watch it and

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this there's a group of people that

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don't want you to see this movie they

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don't want you to ask questions of their

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ufo hero

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i think manny did a good job and um

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i believe in free speech right at least

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have a conversation watch the movie and

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manny's very open if you have questions

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comments

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uh as long as you're

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vaguely respectful

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he'll get back to you and you're allowed

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to disagree but watch the movie first

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absolutely give it a watch and then come

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and talk to me if anyone's got any

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questions i'm totally open to

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discussing the work with people and

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that's kind of what i wanted because

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there's such an involved situation that

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i really couldn't lay it all out in the

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work you know i i kind of had to just

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put the facts out there and let people

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figure out what they are and figure out

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what those questions mean and then

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they've got to do some research on their

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own and that's why i showed my work and

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put everything up on the webpage so

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hopefully some people are doing oh here

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we have somebody else that got messed

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with jessie peake from mufon phi says

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yep got mad

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uh matt he for having manny on my show

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crazy yeah these people are so afraid of

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a conversation it's it just shows

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everything

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why you should support the movie because

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people are literally trying to stamp it

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off the internet and censor it and get

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it taken down and they screwed up

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for people that don't know if you get a

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big project taken off of youtube in its

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first couple of weeks you lose all

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momentum all that promotion all that

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work to promote it

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yeah um i saw some people were saying my

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mic was low i adjusted that if it sounds

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too loud now let me know but yeah to

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answer your question stephen it does

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really steal your momentum with the

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algorithm with youtube where it refers

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your video to people and you know people

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are they they knew that when they did

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this they knew that they were exploiting

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the system that they were going to do

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this so it's not like it's uh oops this

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just kind of happened type thing this

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was intentional and malicious in nature

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so you know but that's yesterday let's

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let's talk about today you know people

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are still talking about the film and

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that's good it's starting to pick up

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more steaming people are starting to ask

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some questions and there's it's not just

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people from youtube and twitter and

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stuff there's been a lot of people from

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outside of the you know in mainstream

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media and stuff that have also done that

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um yeah and i i know at least one

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mainstream uh journalist who is using

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that movie uh sort of as a source for

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material

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and things to write about

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in regard to uh you know there's going

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to be media stories about this louis

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elizondo and people are

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using your work as a source for why we

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should be asking questions right

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yeah and that's such a good feeling

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honestly to know that other people

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understood what i was trying to do here

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and are grabbing the football and

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running with it and and beyond that too

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it's also the empowerment of the people

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who are on ufo twitter and youtube and

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other places that have been silenced you

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this reddit's real bad about it

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everywhere you go people have been

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elizondo and a lot of those people i'm

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finding are feeling more empowered to

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come out and speak their minds again and

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that's what i want i want people to be

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able to speak their mind you know they

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shouldn't if what we're saying if what

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this side of the conversation is so

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crazy and baseless and has no reality in

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you know in the facts it shouldn't be

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to well listen i i've i've had some

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controversial guests but i've never been

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doxed over a guest and and especially

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not when some other idiot show host says

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we need to take these people down for

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what they did what did i do i had a

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conversation with a filmmaker about a

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film

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and now you're doxing me and threatening

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me and i'm getting nasty messages and

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people are threatening to come to my

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house now that my aunt you know

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it's it's amazing but let's get to this

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uh anjali story so you've been following

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this probably as long as i have because

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listen it's an interesting story a

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former dia employee claims that she

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went out into the desert and this guy

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had a mountain and there was a tunnel

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into it and she

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claims that she had all these alien

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experiences i dismissed it all

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people started sending me some

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information that would seem to indicate

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that her background was real so i

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apologize because i said she was totally

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fake this this woman is

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you know making all this up it turns out

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and here's where i really want to

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correct the record here because people

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said just because i interviewed her that

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i believed her no

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what i did say and do believe is that

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her background claims all of her

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background claims of being in the

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military of working for the dia both as

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a civilian contractor and as a direct

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employee she worked for them twice

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were correct

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so that part i believe because you know

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i can go to the national personal

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records center and verify her military

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employment and dia

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employment they won't tell you much of

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what she did but they'll verify yes she

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was employed from this to this as a

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contractor she was employed directly

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with us from this date to this date so i

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apologized for saying that her

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background was probably made up and fake

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i interviewed her this very

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controversial figure this woman and and

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uh

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it's interesting that there's

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i was amazed that there was so much

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interest in a story

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but then you know nothing new happens in

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ufo land

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so so this was something new and a new

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story and

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people uh

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a lot of people

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experiencers especially just totally

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believe everything that she said

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other people were more skeptical of her

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like charlie wiser and and others and

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myself and maybe rich from goof on a few

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other people because there's a lack of

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evidence there and then

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apparently there was all this back and

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forth we found the mountain we found

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wayne no we didn't she lied it wasn't a

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right wayne there's this other wayne

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then this ryan uh said that he

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interviewed wayne but then he wouldn't

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provide any proof that he interviewed

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the wayne and that this wayne refuted

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but was this the right wayne and i'm

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still confused because there's two major

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wayne and trisha's

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i don't know which one we're saying now

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is the right one but apparently the

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right ones have reached out to charlie

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weiser over being threatened with a

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lawsuit by angeli

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and they have an entirely different

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opinion right

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so what did you think of the story when

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it broke and what about the the the

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cancelled expedition and people are

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blaming me and charlie wiser because the

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expedition got cancelled because we out

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at wayne we didn't really have wayne

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apparently we had it the wrong way i

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think i don't know i'm confused

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yeah you know i've been following

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angeli's story from day one just like

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you have been

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and i've always been a little fascinated

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by her you know because of her

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outgoing personality how friendly she is

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and how open she is about her story and

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about how like you said her credentials

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from the digging that i did checked out

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like you said her credentials did check

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out um and that makes the story

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compelling to me because why is a former

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dia employee and air force

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officer

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suddenly seeing aliens and talking about

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it and doing press conferences about her

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alien contact you know right it's a

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compelling story

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it's a great story and it does give some

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credibility to her character you know

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that she has this background but what

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what i had to um when i asked her i said

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you know i just want to make clear that

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your your in intelligence and government

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work was all way before and then you had

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this experience later so these are two

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different events it's not like this

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happened while you were working at the

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intelligence agency it's not like this

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happened when you were part of the

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government and she said she's never

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tried to

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clog that fact she's always been open

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about it just said straight up yes this

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is how it is

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and she's always stuck to her story

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and been kind of consistent like that so

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i tend to believe like my my gut

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instinct when i'm watching her talk is

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this someone who fully believes what

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she's saying is

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100 truthful you know and so i believe

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she believes it yeah and i've given her

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a lot of like patience with her story

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because of that i'm like okay well i'm

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going to look into this i'm not going to

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be real i'm going to be skeptical and

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i'm going to trust but verify and so

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when you start to verify there's not

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really much to verify like you pointed

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out there was very little facts in her

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story which she made

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she never tried to hide she never tried

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to say oh i've got this huge ironclad

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thing i think she's been very honest

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with us considering how some of the

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other people talk to us you know what

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i'm saying but um

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yeah and you know what i want to say

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this too like i i

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the purpose of tonight's show is not to

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drag her name to the mud or call her a

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liar or you know i'm interested in the

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truth of what really happened with her

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story

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and

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it's not my intention to belittle her or

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you know it's that's not our purpose

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here tonight our purpose here is to

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report on the story people ask me all

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the time what give us an update what's

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what's happening with anjali and i

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nothing i think i don't know but this is

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a new development now we've got the

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original so-called witnesses to the

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event

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uh saying none of this happened and

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we'll get into the details of that we're

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going to read through the twitter thread

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of charlie weiser i want to mention also

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that we invited anjali i know it was

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last minute but

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i invited her here

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um and and she declined for tonight um

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and she did send me a message she said

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go ahead stephen and pass all that info

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around it actually may end up making it

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much easier for me to demonstrate how

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honest i have been each step of this

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process i have kept every screenshot

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message and video conversations with

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this couple and others related to this i

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have read and re-read them and put them

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up against what i have stated publicly

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and i am confident that though i may

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have unintentionally revealed too many

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details about them the only time i was

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not truthful about my experience was

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when i was protecting them so she's

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going to refute apparently

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um what this couple is saying so

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well and i think she mentions too that

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remember she said she had lied about the

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identities to protect them that the guy

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wasn't really named wayne and that she

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had made that name up to cover

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you know his identity and i understood

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that from day one i you know nobody's

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gonna fault her for changing her

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witnesses name to protect her identity

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that's pretty common so i think that's

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what she was referencing there maybe

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yeah and and also you know many people

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have the other reason that i've kind of

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been

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as kind as i could be is because i was

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always concerned that she suffered from

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some sort of mental

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problems or illness that could cause or

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create hallucinate hallucinations or

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delusions and i don't want to beat

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somebody up that's suffering from some

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kind of mental

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problems but

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anjali claims that she is a hundred

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percent okay she's been examined by

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psychological uh you know experts at the

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va and they declared that she's not

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suffering from delusions or whatever

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um so her claim is that that she's

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she's fully

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mentally sound and and okay

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take that

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you know

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so i guess we get into the actual

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twitter thread i'm going to share my

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and we're using a thread reader to make

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this make a little more

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sense

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so um

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this is reported by charlie weiser

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yesterday all in a twitter thread but

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we're using this thread reader to make

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it make a little bit more sense

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so trisha

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says audrey tried to make it seem like

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we were going to be part of the libel

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suit against you

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you being charlie weiser i was like oh

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hell no

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wayne says that's what made me reach out

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to you and charlie wiser calls this a

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threat about two people who want to

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remove themselves from the story

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recap anjali says she met wayne and

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trisha in january 2018 walked through a

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tunnel he dug in the mountain and met

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aliens

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charlie weiser goes on to say i just

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spoke to wayne and trisha for over an

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hour i asked for their version of what

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happened that day

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and uh she advises to catch up reading

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this tweet storm about the other wayne

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because remember we've got the two wings

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but she apparently has

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anjali's proper right correct wayne

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patricia and this was verified through

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public records because

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at the time the day that

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ozily claims that she met the aliens in

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the mountain there was a wellness check

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performed by the sheriff and an emt

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an ambulance

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and those are public records so i

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believe that

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uh charlie weiser has the proper wayne

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and trisha as verified by the ambulance

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visiting that day

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so

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uh she says please respect wayne and

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trisha's privacy they are fed up anxious

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and scared while chatting as a group in

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the coffee shop wayne mentioned people

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sing ufos for years over his mountain

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they invited anjali home because quote

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she seemed like a nice person unquote

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another couple their friends came home

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too

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back home

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this is where it gets interesting

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because some people may recall that i

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said that anjali's experience sounds

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exactly like a dmt trip

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wayne says we did some cannabis oil if

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you're not used to cannabis oil it can

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hit you hard what i'm getting at is this

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we weren't sober it does alter your mind

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uh they walked around the land for a bit

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although not the mountain itself not

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sober stoned

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and i had asked on julie in our

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interview if she was under the influence

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of any drugs and she said no not

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knowingly now we know that

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they were using cannabis oil

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okay so

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this goes

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stated an ambulance showed up before it

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was even dark wayne had no idea why

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until the sheriff said it was there for

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a welfare check for angelia because her

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a friend picked her up 911 11 30 p.m

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wayne goes on to state whatever

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experience anjali had here is really in

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her mind there was no mention of tunnels

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or aliens that night and this of course

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directly refutes anjali's story goes on

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to say and when she picked up her car

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the next day not a word aside from ufos

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in the coffee shop

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for the next couple of weeks anjali

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texted tricia asking to meet up still no

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mention of aliens and tunnels trisha

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says i ignored her

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wayne says because we were freaked out

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by her wayne and trisha do not want to

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be part of this story they never wanted

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to be

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three years later a week before the

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press conference wayne and trisha gave

560
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,480
in to anjali's persistent attempts to

561
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:01,360
reconnect she said that she had had an

562
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,880
alien experience in waze wayne's tunnel

563
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:07,200
and they were baffled wayne had no

564
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,640
tunnels

565
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,280
angelia said oh yes you do

566
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,919
you just don't remember them

567
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,600
wayne goes on to say i've tried to

568
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,000
explain there's no tunnel here i can't

569
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,640
convince her anjali has been pressuring

570
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,880
them to allow an expedition under the

571
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,200
stress sometimes he's felt like buckling

572
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,440
just to get it over with but he doesn't

573
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,679
want strangers on his land especially

574
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,760
not max and max would be

575
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,080
i believe the boyfriend of anjali

576
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,720
wayne says ashley told him you have no

577
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,600
idea who i am you have no idea what i'm

578
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:40,960
capable of

579
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,679
he says when i realize she's a powerful

580
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,520
person who can push a button and jack

581
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,720
our life

582
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,640
when audrey was being real persistent

583
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,039
last year wayne said that she could buy

584
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,679
his land for 10 million dollars

585
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,000
he said we leave it and you can have

586
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,159
this whole place and we don't have to

587
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,760
deal with this

588
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,400
she anjali said bigelow aerospace would

589
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:04,400
pay 20 million for a few acres of

590
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,600
mountain with no aliens

591
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,640
so

592
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,240
you know the story is really falling

593
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,640
apart once you talk to these two people

594
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,799
we have trisha to anjali

595
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,200
i wish i would have never met you i wish

596
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,440
we never invited you to our home you're

597
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,080
not my friend you never were my friend

598
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,559
stop saying you're my friend

599
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,880
angelina trisha i'm your friend whether

600
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:29,200
you think so or not love your friend

601
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,080
that's

602
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,240
weird

603
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,880
and so uh this couple what they say is

604
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,039
what we want is for anjali to just go

605
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,840
away trisha says i'm so frustrated about

606
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:41,919
what she's done to her love our lives

607
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:45,520
woman to woman i'm a very angry wife

608
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,720
did i mention wayne is not a fan of max

609
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,240
and they go on to say i don't know who

610
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,159
you think you are max talking about my

611
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,320
cancer as if you think you know me you

612
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,480
don't know [\h__\h] stop talking about my

613
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,799
cancer out there this is what this

614
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,880
person weighing told max anjali's

615
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:02,640
boyfriend

616
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,360
so charlie weiser goes on to write uh

617
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,440
let's give andrew lee the benefit of the

618
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,679
doubt she had an experience of some sort

619
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:11,440
while high

620
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,559
but

621
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,400
according to wayne there is no tunnel so

622
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,400
whatever happened it was in her head it

623
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,120
was not in a tunnel with aliens inside

624
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,520
therefore wayne and trisha are not part

625
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,159
of her story again wayne and trisha tell

626
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,240
me aliens and tunnels were never spoken

627
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,559
about that day the next day or in

628
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,720
messages for the next two weeks

629
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,960
after which they lost touch

630
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,360
three years later anjali returns with a

631
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,880
tale of

632
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,679
lavi the lavender alien removing her

633
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,919
consciousness in the midst of night

634
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,080
trisha she said that they were standing

635
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,080
over her and they were all shiny and i'm

636
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,480
thinking yeah that was the ambulance you

637
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,080
were in lady

638
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,400
so anjali's assessment of wayne and

639
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,640
trisha match his mind they are genuine

640
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:56,720
and lovely people we had a good laugh

641
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,000
but their anguish is palpable palpable

642
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,760
they've tried everything they can think

643
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,000
of to make her go away

644
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,559
we need to stop the cycle how can wayne

645
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:08,960
and trisha make ausley accept that they

646
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,360
were not part of her story that whatever

647
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,600
happened it was in her head that

648
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:15,840
whatever she remembers now it doesn't

649
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:18,880
reflect reality there are no tunnels or

650
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,760
aliens in wayne's mountain

651
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,240
and and here's another detail

652
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,400
that anjali really harped over which was

653
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,240
there was some kind of archway in

654
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,000
wayne's house and after the experience

655
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,320
the aliens teleported her back and wayne

656
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,720
said that's where the aliens return us

657
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,600
to

658
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,760
once we're in the alien base

659
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,679
ps there was no big wooden arch

660
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,919
teleporter pad dividing wayne's house in

661
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,400
two waynes tells me there is a door

662
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,640
separating the front back of the house

663
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,360
this revelation crushed me

664
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:51,600
so that's pretty much it

665
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,400
uh

666
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,960
how did i remove did i did i bounce you

667
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,039
out i didn't mean to i apologize

668
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,720
oh no it wasn't your fault i i had

669
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,559
internet problems and had to pop back in

670
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,520
but i was okay backstage yeah okay so

671
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,159
yeah so what we have is that this this

672
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,200
couple entirely refutes anjali's

673
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,480
recollection of events there's no tunnel

674
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,559
she claimed wayne dug the tunnel into

675
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,720
the alien mountain

676
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,720
apparently there is no tunnel there's no

677
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,720
archway in his house

678
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,960
she never discussed aliens with them the

679
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,559
night that she claims she had the

680
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,520
experience or the two weeks after

681
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,240
it's like that

682
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,760
we have two

683
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:33,760
totally different version of the same

684
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,559
event anjali's version

685
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,520
claiming that this uh trish and wayne

686
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,840
were in on it and know about the aliens

687
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,000
in the mountain that wayne dug the

688
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,159
tunnel into the mountain into the alien

689
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,520
base

690
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,000
and uh

691
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,200
i guess the story falls apart here right

692
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,720
you know i'm glad you brought it up and

693
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,320
i'm glad that you offered angeli the

694
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,799
chance to come uh here today to answer

695
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,799
you know to the respond to this and at

696
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,559
some point she's going to have to

697
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,039
respond to this because this gives i

698
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,720
mean if you think about the two stories

699
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,840
and you think about these people

700
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:10,159
together on that night this really does

701
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,360
have a more

702
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,200
ring of truth to it that's supported by

703
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:15,679
fact this version of the story you know

704
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,399
it is still just wayne and and his wife

705
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,720
uh trisha is that her name trisha so

706
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,120
it's their version versus aunt jollies

707
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,200
but you know it really does have the

708
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,960
smack of truth and when they said the

709
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,480
one part that really stuck with me was

710
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,399
that part about the ambulance and and

711
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,919
then the aliens you know i was like wait

712
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,880
a minute because we knew that an

713
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,880
ambulance was called that day from the

714
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,640
911 yeah and if you're in an ambulance

715
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,080
they're going to lay you on a bed and

716
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:40,880
they're going to do an examination which

717
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,600
sounds strangely similar to

718
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,159
her laying on a table or something that

719
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,240
she said and they took took her out of

720
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,720
her consciousness now though the one

721
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,080
thing that i'm a little confused about

722
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,480
is cannabis oil because

723
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,640
maybe it's just the only cannabis oil

724
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,960
i've ever tried is cbd oil

725
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,200
and that did not have it didn't really

726
00:28:06,029 --> 00:28:03,279
get you high it just sort of relaxes you

727
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,039
a little bit it doesn't create loosened

728
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:07,919
hallucinations but

729
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,480
i don't know that thc infused cannabis

730
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,200
oil if it's really really concentrated

731
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,480
couldn't produce some of these

732
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,960
effects right i i i don't know i would

733
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,799
know yeah i mean i assume it could you

734
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,480
know i mean something it sounds like

735
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,559
something did maybe it was a combination

736
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,120
of of the of the cannabis oil whatever

737
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,120
that was charlie weiser is here welcome

738
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,600
charlie wiser

739
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,039
yeah i'm going to check out twitter

740
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,960
charlie great report

741
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,120
great job and i agree with what you said

742
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,039
earlier like i've fact checked a few of

743
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:41,039
charlie's pieces of information enough

744
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,559
to know that when charlie put something

745
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,480
out there it's it's pretty dang thorough

746
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,080
you know like i haven't found any reason

747
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,640
to discredit uh charlie's research and i

748
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,000
find it interesting that other people

749
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:51,679
think they do without any evidence that

750
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,760
it's not good you know um so yeah

751
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,520
was there a new tweet from anjali that

752
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,880
had come out or

753
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,320
yeah i think she's just talking about

754
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,000
what she replied to the thread where you

755
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:03,840
invited her to the show

756
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,960
anjali says my experience has not come

757
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,240
crashing down

758
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,720
respectfully now

759
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,640
i am not available in an hour i am not

760
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,960
available tonight go ahead and have your

761
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,440
say tonight pass all that info around it

762
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,039
is a relief that wayne and trisha

763
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,039
finally spoke up i don't have to worry

764
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:23,039
about them anymore

765
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,640
well there you go yeah and that's that's

766
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,159
kind of what wayne was saying too just

767
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:27,520
like hey we got this you don't need to

768
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,720
speak on our behalf that's kind of what

769
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,320
i was picking up from his communication

770
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,399
there you know like he he doesn't need

771
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,840
anybody else to tell his side of the

772
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,120
story now and i think he sees the

773
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,520
benefit coming out with it um that the

774
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,200
10 and 20 million is kind of interesting

775
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,559
i mean if i had a piece of land that was

776
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,919
valued at you know i don't know what

777
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,200
their land is valued at let's just say

778
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,640
it's a million bucks and somebody offers

779
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,799
you 10 million

780
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,880
take it say it you win it can be your

781
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,480
headache you know bigelow if you want to

782
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:52,240
pay me 20 great let's get a bidding war

783
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:53,440
i'll call christie's and let's get a

784
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,159
bidding war going on it you know for 20

785
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,840
but uh you know like i i don't

786
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:59,440
understand why people will you know i

787
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,480
get they wouldn't want to leave their

788
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,840
home and stuff for any amount of money

789
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,200
some people don't need the money and so

790
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,360
they don't have to you know but i'm just

791
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,120
you know it sounds like wayne and wanted

792
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:08,880
to get his side they wanted their site

793
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,679
out there you know um you know um

794
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,520
especially if it sounds like they're

795
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,120
kind of concurring with what charlie was

796
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,960
already coming up with you know and it

797
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,720
sounds like charlie was trying to get

798
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,720
somebody was trying to bully charlie

799
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,799
into silence with a lawsuit or or

800
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,559
whatever you know like that's just

801
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,840
that's not right especially when

802
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,440
somebody's just doing good investigative

803
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,200
journalism and bringing the truth out

804
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,720
you know like we gotta have this stuff

805
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,399
and keep it up charlie don't let anybody

806
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,200
silence you yeah i agree and and uh you

807
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:37,200
know i will say

808
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,320
charlie

809
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,960
listen ashley was very kind to me

810
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,720
and and to others

811
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,640
even though we were very skeptical of

812
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,960
her and and you know what i should what

813
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:49,520
i should or would say to ashley as i

814
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,799
agree with most or all probably of

815
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:54,480
charlie weiser's reporting on the whole

816
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:55,520
story

817
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:58,960
so why are you sue and charlie wiser and

818
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:01,519
you're not suing me i'm just as critical

819
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,720
of a lot of parts of the story it just

820
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,960
you know and i i don't understand that

821
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,159
that's right out of corey good's

822
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,320
playbook like if you can't argue with

823
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,720
the facts that your critics dig up sue

824
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,559
them into silence

825
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,960
you know and i i totally don't support

826
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,480
that i understand

827
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,039
maybe she felt attacked or you know but

828
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,720
you can't just sue people because they

829
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,120
disagree with you

830
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,480
on the internet

831
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,679
right

832
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:29,279
i mean you can sue somebody for anything

833
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,240
but

834
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,159
i don't think that's a good idea it's a

835
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,000
it's especially gonna be a public figure

836
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,399
you made these incredible claims what do

837
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,080
you expect people are gonna dig of

838
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,240
course people are gonna dig into it

839
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,919
you know that's what i don't understand

840
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,519
stephen is that you know like our

841
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,519
ufology is full of two things like

842
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,279
skeptic there's believers but there's

843
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,640
also a bunch of skeptics and

844
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,480
investigators like why would you come

845
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,000
into a field that's full of skeptic and

846
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,480
investigators with a story that is

847
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,720
easily picked apart you know like i just

848
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,559
don't get it unless they really do i

849
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:00,159
know that some of them like you know

850
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,600
like lou says he just thinks we're all

851
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:02,960
bottom dwellers that are sitting around

852
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,720
in our underwears with our our you know

853
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,039
poster on the wall in our mom's basement

854
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,679
you know in our mom's basement right

855
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,200
i want to believe poster and you know

856
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,799
what i decided i'm taking it down

857
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,480
because it's too cliche

858
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,080
you can't have a show like this and not

859
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,760
have that poster in your room i'm going

860
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,440
to give it to my kids or something i'm

861
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,279
going to put a guitar there or something

862
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,559
right because

863
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,919
everybody's got it

864
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,279
but you know like there's some real

865
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:29,039
savvy investigators and i don't just

866
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,399
mean the late stan friedman there's

867
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,919
other people who are picking up the ball

868
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,760
like yourself and like recently myself

869
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,840
you know like who have really stepped up

870
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,159
to to fill a hole that's kind of been

871
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,240
exploited you know so

872
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:42,159
um i i don't know maybe that's notice to

873
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,440
some of these other grifters out there

874
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,640
if you're gonna come into the into the

875
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,960
scene with some kind of cockamamie story

876
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,640
and think it's gonna float don't just be

877
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,640
prepared to get called out on it because

878
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,799
the people are watching you know

879
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:54,000
lots of cool people out there i saw

880
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,039
scott brown i haven't seen him in

881
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,960
forever what's up scott yeah we're gonna

882
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,440
have scott come on the show sometime

883
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:01,120
he was very critical of her story as

884
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,000
well

885
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,080
and was on some of those panels you know

886
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,760
that we had talking about it where she

887
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,919
was here i'm a little disappointed

888
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,960
because

889
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,039
one thing i will say that i respect her

890
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,799
for is that she's kind of like a fire

891
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,640
brand you know like people talk [\h__\h] and

892
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,399
she goes i'm cutting all your show i'm

893
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,159
gonna tell my side of the so i was kind

894
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,320
of hoping that she took it i didn't want

895
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,559
to twist her arm or whatever i thought

896
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,200
it was important though that we give

897
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,880
this update like here's what's been

898
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,039
going on and here's what people you know

899
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:31,519
here's what charlie wiser has found and

900
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:32,320
uh

901
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,360
you know i

902
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,840
i'm very supportive of charlie weiser

903
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,360
you know somebody just trying to dox her

904
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,279
and they they identified the wrong

905
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,279
person that wasn't her

906
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:43,120
so uh

907
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,470
how do people do that or think that

908
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,159
that's okay like i don't want to go down

909
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,000
that path today let's let's let's keep

910
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,399
it here but you know and jolly's really

911
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,960
she i agree she's a fire brand and she's

912
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,919
also

913
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,679
very like i said she believes what she's

914
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,519
saying so it's it's i find it actually

915
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:03,039
pleasant to engage and talk to her i

916
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,190
first of all i believe that she believes

917
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,359
what she's saying is 100

918
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,679
the truth so you know i can't really

919
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,440
attack her for having experience and

920
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:21,839
believing it i just don't

921
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,800
i i got stuck on the dmt trip that was

922
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,879
what i said this was most likely caused

923
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,159
by because

924
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,240
she talks about a purple being she talks

925
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:32,960
about getting pulled out of her body she

926
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,480
you know and go look up a dmt experience

927
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,480
and listen to people it's very common

928
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,560
for people to feel those two things one

929
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,079
that they were taken out of their body

930
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,800
and two that they communicated with a

931
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:46,480
purple being and that's what she

932
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,119
described so wow you know for all i know

933
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,040
maybe there was dmt in the in the

934
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,879
cannabis oil that she was taking with

935
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,879
these people i don't know but it just

936
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,680
sounds so incredibly similar to a dmt

937
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,119
trip to me

938
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:00,720
that i thought that was the likely

939
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,000
explanation for what happened to her

940
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,599
you know it all makes sense especially

941
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,680
when you add in you know the ambulance

942
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,079
and then that whole story that you read

943
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,320
just sounds like a base truth you know

944
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:14,000
like it sounds like peop that you know

945
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,280
there's two people on one side we're

946
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,040
telling you one story and then one on

947
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,880
the other you know so

948
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,599
yeah

949
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,200
far more realistic

950
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,680
feel william k is asking can strong

951
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,920
cannabis oil make you see aliens i don't

952
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,520
know but i have a feeling that there's

953
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,040
gonna be a lot of people in my audience

954
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,920
trying real strong cannabis oil tomorrow

955
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,560
and and really if you look report back

956
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,200
the results because i i'm not big on oil

957
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,240
i've had cbd oil i've never had

958
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,960
thc oil so i i don't know

959
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,800
you know

960
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,040
yeah i mean i i assume it could i mean

961
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,640
like any drug if you take too much of it

962
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,000
who knows what it's going to do to you

963
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,400
so um it wouldn't be too hard to you

964
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,560
know make that conclusion based upon

965
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,720
everything else but again i really want

966
00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:59,440
to hear um and jolly's response to this

967
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:02,079
new information and i'm you know i hope

968
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,839
she's out there listening and jolly you

969
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,119
know nobody's i'm not going to be

970
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,560
competitive about it i'm not hostile

971
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,000
that's not what this is about yeah she's

972
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,599
welcome if she changes her mind she's

973
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,880
welcome to come on and we'll just have a

974
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,880
talk with her and she can tell us you

975
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,280
know what what she has to say about what

976
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,280
these people are saying about

977
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:19,119
her experience that

978
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,560
you know

979
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,640
contradicts much of what she said you

980
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,640
know well like i said earlier too a

981
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,040
couple of times it does have a much more

982
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:29,040
reality based perspective from wayne's

983
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,280
story with the archway to the ambulance

984
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,960
to the i mean everything it's just like

985
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,960
oh well there you go that explains it

986
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,000
you know so um is this you know ironclad

987
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,760
yeah i mean it's i think it is so i want

988
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,920
to hear what angeli has to say and if

989
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,680
she's willing to consider this evidence

990
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,320
that maybe it might despite her beliefs

991
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,839
because i i said that earlier we both

992
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,359
agreed you know like we both feel like

993
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,599
like angeli really believes her

994
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,160
experience was real but what i'm curious

995
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,839
is she's not really accepting this new

996
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,880
evidence

997
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,640
yeah and not only that but she claims

998
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,320
that she has these ongoing

999
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,119
communications with these aliens on a i

1000
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,400
guess like a daily basis and

1001
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,800
so yeah you know apparently

1002
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:10,400
other people have pointed out that maybe

1003
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,839
that's her way of like removing the the

1004
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,359
physical side

1005
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,520
of her experience she claimed that her

1006
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,200
experience was physical inside a

1007
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,440
mountain and this and that and

1008
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,040
you know saying oh no i have this

1009
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,760
conscious contact anytime i i reach out

1010
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,800
to them you know makes it more mental

1011
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,560
and not so physical

1012
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,079
people were

1013
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,640
speculating that that's how she's gonna

1014
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,599
pull the the story out to move on to the

1015
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,599
that's mental it's telepathy and it's

1016
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,200
not physical

1017
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,440
yeah so who knows right you know it's

1018
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,119
it's very possible and we've seen people

1019
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,359
do that in our um you know field here

1020
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,520
before you know there is another famous

1021
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,599
doctor greer that we talk about who you

1022
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,359
know it goes into certain areas like

1023
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,280
that but the point being too and that's

1024
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,800
you know that something that we kind of

1025
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:58,480
mentioned before is that you know

1026
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,520
sometimes people get surrounded with a

1027
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,920
group of others that are just afraid to

1028
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,839
tell them no for one reason or to pull

1029
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,800
them back

1030
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,480
to ground and say no wait a minute

1031
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,599
you're getting a little bit out there

1032
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,680
you need to come back to reality and you

1033
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,359
know we've seen it in the cases of

1034
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,359
celebrities but also in the cases of

1035
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,079
real strong personalities too will tend

1036
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,599
to do that too in just our day-to-day

1037
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,359
lives you know i've seen it where

1038
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,440
there's a strong matron figure in a

1039
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,800
family and everyone's just like oh my

1040
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,320
god we can't we can't question anything

1041
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,240
she's always right you know or other

1042
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,560
things but it is easy with celebrities

1043
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,800
because they have that money and power

1044
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,640
and so people who surround themselves

1045
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,560
they really they really live in a bubble

1046
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,640
like if you've ever like i've known a

1047
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:41,520
few uh famous people

1048
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,720
and uh they live in a bubble and then uh

1049
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,880
you know a lot of times they don't get

1050
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,119
the same

1051
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,359
i guess uh treatment that a normal

1052
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,960
person would like a normal person their

1053
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,320
friends would go you're full [\h__\h] man

1054
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,960
this is too crazy calm down but if you

1055
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,800
got all this money and fame that people

1056
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,640
just let you go off and do your thing

1057
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,320
you know but

1058
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,720
back to this cannabis oil thing

1059
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:06,320
you know she was adamant that no she

1060
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,280
didn't

1061
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,800
weren't drinking

1062
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,680
but now we know that she was drinking

1063
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,240
i suppose you drink it right this

1064
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,760
cannabis oil

1065
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,200
and

1066
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,960
what do we think of the possibility that

1067
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,119
it wasn't just cannabis oil that it was

1068
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:25,119
cannabis oil with

1069
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,040
a hallucinogenic

1070
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,800
drug addict to it

1071
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,480
could be

1072
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,079
many different compounds that could

1073
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,079
cause these sort of hallucinations added

1074
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,400
to the cannabis oil you know we don't

1075
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,720
know that she was on

1076
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,960
other medications it may have

1077
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,880
you know i don't know i'm trying to get

1078
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,160
to

1079
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:46,720
what could generate these experience

1080
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,800
in in a woman that has a very serious

1081
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,960
she's got a very serious background you

1082
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,240
know she worked for the defense

1083
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,920
intelligence agency she worked for the

1084
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:57,359
air force

1085
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:58,400
so

1086
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,480
what it was that she ingested we know

1087
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,880
she ingested something now cannabis oil

1088
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,480
but we don't know

1089
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,160
if there was something else in it that

1090
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,119
caused these experiences maybe she got

1091
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,960
what people would call dost

1092
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,640
because i don't know about you

1093
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,440
but

1094
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:17,200
you know i grew up in rock bands and

1095
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,800
some guys used to think it was funny to

1096
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,960
dose people you know

1097
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,280
like let me let me drop this in their

1098
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,440
beer and then we'll watch and we'll all

1099
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,880
have a laugh at them tripping their

1100
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,079
balls off

1101
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,800
it's not funny but people people do this

1102
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,880
and they think it's funny so

1103
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,480
how does she know that what she drank

1104
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,040
was only cannabis oil could have been

1105
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,040
dosed with anything right

1106
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:41,200
well did angeli say it was cannabis oil

1107
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,319
because i thought she had said she

1108
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,480
didn't take anything she did say she

1109
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,000
didn't take anything this wayne and

1110
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:48,000
trisha said that they were all

1111
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,359
that they were all doing it together

1112
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,640
right yeah

1113
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,560
so you know let's let's run with that

1114
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,480
for a second let's assume that they were

1115
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,720
out there all just taking some cannabis

1116
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,800
oil for a bit you know and having fun

1117
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,720
and taking a hike in the desert gonna go

1118
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,720
look at the stars you know sounds like a

1119
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,079
good time right

1120
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,440
maybe she could have there could have

1121
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,720
been something else in there that was

1122
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,560
slipped in there or

1123
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,480
here's another thing too is everybody's

1124
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,319
different you know like not everyone's

1125
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,560
gonna if you take a sip of a cannabis

1126
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,920
oil it's not gonna affect you the same

1127
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,599
as it does me as it does anjali as it

1128
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,720
does anybody else every every every body

1129
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,880
is different you know so we don't know

1130
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,720
how it could affect her is it

1131
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,720
we could assume that that did happen i i

1132
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,000
wouldn't i don't think wayne sounds like

1133
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,240
the type of person to dose someone on

1134
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,480
their own you know just for giggles you

1135
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,760
know it sounds like he was drinking

1136
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,760
whatever they were she was drinking too

1137
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,200
but then it just didn't hit him as hard

1138
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,960
for whatever reason maybe he took a

1139
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,560
little sip and then jolly put a you know

1140
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,160
a big old college chug on it i don't

1141
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,920
know but she said she didn't take

1142
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,200
anything so

1143
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,960
somewhere between there is there's some

1144
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,560
kind of truth like because she says she

1145
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,720
didn't take anything they had this whole

1146
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,359
experience you know and stuff like that

1147
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,280
what would she say if they were to show

1148
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,520
her the um medical

1149
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,920
logs from the 9-1-1 call where they

1150
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,280
summoned an ambulance there would she

1151
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,880
pretend would you believe it or is she

1152
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,400
going to stick to this story that it was

1153
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,480
something no she's she said that that

1154
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,800
that that they did you know there was an

1155
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,319
ambulance there she's the one that let

1156
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,839
that out which

1157
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,359
you know she's made if she wanted to

1158
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,359
keep these people's information private

1159
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,200
she's made a few mistakes dropping

1160
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,440
information like that because then we go

1161
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,200
i'm sure somebody like charlie wiser and

1162
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,119
james conrad went well let's go look at

1163
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,280
the ambulance logs in the 911 calls and

1164
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,200
we'll find exactly

1165
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,960
the house where this

1166
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:30,160
you can get a recording of the phone

1167
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,280
call if you wanted to you could

1168
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,800
hopefully

1169
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,720
i i did not know this according to lord

1170
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,079
ludacris platt i don't know if this is

1171
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,000
true but schizophrenia can be triggered

1172
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,520
by cannabis

1173
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,440
like i would assume maybe yeah if

1174
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,200
somebody's already a little frayed on

1175
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:44,880
the edges of sanity and then you give

1176
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,359
them a drug that increases mental

1177
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,000
activity and speeds your brain up or

1178
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,000
makes you a little paranoid that could

1179
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,680
cause some kind of a rift and of course

1180
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,440
we're just speculating here i'm not a

1181
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,599
psychiatrist or psychologist or expert

1182
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:59,119
on drugs

1183
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,079
um

1184
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,160
you know i have

1185
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:04,800
a lot of experience with that stuff

1186
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,319
uh in my younger years especially

1187
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,319
yeah it used to be used to be a thing in

1188
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:12,560
philadelphia you would go down the south

1189
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,760
street and you would get lsd tabs you

1190
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,359
know and put it under your tongue and

1191
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:19,440
then you're gonna have a fun night

1192
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,400
um

1193
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,480
but i uh and i did way too much of that

1194
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:24,319
stuff when i was young and then and then

1195
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:25,839
i had a really bad one and said i'm

1196
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,790
yeah well maybe all it takes is one

1197
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,440
that's real bad and you go oh god and

1198
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,599
you know this was the the stuff with the

1199
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,040
strict nine in it so you're going to be

1200
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,880
tripping balls for like 24 hours

1201
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,480
straight

1202
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,079
you can't sleep

1203
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,920
that's terrible no it was terrible yeah

1204
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,839
yeah so you know one thing about that

1205
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,000
though remember so if uh if a paramedic

1206
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,079
was summoned that night it's safe to

1207
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,079
assume that they checked her vitals for

1208
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,760
you know to make sure she's stable that

1209
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,839
she doesn't have any sort of you know

1210
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,440
visible signs of anything but that's not

1211
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,280
a psychological assessment and it's not

1212
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:03,280
an assessment of any sort of you know

1213
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,240
what i mean they're not looking your

1214
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,079
body over for wounds to see if she was

1215
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,839
abducted or has an implant they're

1216
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,280
checking her heart rate and her blood

1217
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,680
pressure and her temperatures and you

1218
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,440
know her eye dilation responses and

1219
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,599
things yeah it's vitals thank you that's

1220
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,440
the word i was looking for the vitals so

1221
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,200
you know they did get that so we know

1222
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,280
that nothing was too bad even if she was

1223
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,440
dosed it was enough that they said yeah

1224
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,599
you know you're safe to stay here and

1225
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,280
not get transported to the emergency

1226
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,000
room you know which is their duty to do

1227
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,000
but um yeah i'd be real curious to see

1228
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,720
if if she comes up and you know answers

1229
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,319
to this new information says well no

1230
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,319
this is all a lie or these are the wrong

1231
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,160
people and they're you know misinforming

1232
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,480
on me but if these are the right people

1233
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,560
and she's calling him a liar that's not

1234
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,079
gonna look that's gonna look even worse

1235
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,599
for her you know if these are the right

1236
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,359
people anjali should probably just admit

1237
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,880
it now and try to figure out what really

1238
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,040
one second sorry about that

1239
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,309
books asked how thorough was the medical

1240
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,160
checkup well it was a paramedics on the

1241
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,240
scene so we don't you know it wasn't a

1242
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,560
full er checkup but it was

1243
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,400
you know probably like steven said just

1244
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,319
the vitals oh somebody was calling from

1245
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,560
a private number i don't know

1246
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,160
call back if you're who i think you

1247
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,160
might have been i don't know

1248
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:15,760
i'm glad yeah

1249
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,200
and i think uh charlie weiser says we're

1250
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,920
on the wrong track well you know tell us

1251
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,680
what the right track is

1252
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,800
you think

1253
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,800
i i think that charlie may think that

1254
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,880
she's just making all this up and we're

1255
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,440
kind of going maybe she got dosed and

1256
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,079
really believes this but well honestly i

1257
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,680
tend to agree with charlie that she is

1258
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,359
making it up but i want to know why she

1259
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,880
feels like she believes it that's the

1260
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,240
part that that kind of worries me

1261
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,440
because she's not acting like someone

1262
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:43,040
who's telling a lie she's acting like

1263
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,160
someone who

1264
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,720
has a perception like a

1265
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,880
a perception of a kind of a an altered

1266
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,319
past you know like it's just sticking to

1267
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,640
their guns on something um so i don't

1268
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,839
know but maybe that's what charlie's

1269
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:55,200
talking about there

1270
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,000
yeah charlie you let us know uh

1271
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,000
what what your take on it is

1272
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,920
you've been digging into it for quite a

1273
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,680
while let us know what your take on it

1274
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,040
i'm sorry i'm not i

1275
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,800
it's difficult to multitask here i'm

1276
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:10,560
paying attention to the live chat so if

1277
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:15,119
i see you uh you know post a comment or

1278
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,920
one

1279
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,920
yeah grab that if put them on i think

1280
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,960
you think it is

1281
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,880
then private number again

1282
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,040
and then that call drops yeah but the

1283
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,119
call drops before i can before i can get

1284
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,040
it you can't get a connection it's

1285
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,880
probably a voip that's not got a good

1286
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,400
internet

1287
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,640
maybe yeah

1288
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:34,240
i agree with let me check in with my

1289
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,040
twitter yeah yeah what do you think

1290
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,440
v says something here she says i v says

1291
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:41,680
i tend to believe what anjali

1292
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,800
and jolly believes she believes

1293
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:47,040
it's a lot of belief but yeah and you

1294
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:48,160
know i think we're all on the same page

1295
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,359
when you're you know when you're looking

1296
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,440
at an jolly she's not you don't get to

1297
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:52,800
feel like she's someone who's trying to

1298
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,599
lie to you you know um your internal bs

1299
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,040
detector gives you that that

1300
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,040
clarification but

1301
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,640
you know that's intelligence people for

1302
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,359
you aren't they paid to do that

1303
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:04,960
yeah that's another thing that worried

1304
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,760
me about her is her you know government

1305
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,319
ties how do we know that they didn't

1306
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,240
send her out to talk about this stuff or

1307
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,240
get people interested in aliens instead

1308
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,480
of what's really going on you know i'm

1309
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,440
very

1310
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:19,040
i don't trust people that are former

1311
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,559
government employees to tell me the

1312
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,680
truth about anything especially aliens

1313
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,480
you know

1314
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,160
the timing remember i asked her that too

1315
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,920
i said it seems awful fortuitous that

1316
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,520
you come out when you do

1317
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,599
when there's this resistance against mr

1318
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,200
elizondo at the time that was around the

1319
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,520
alien threat fiasco and people really

1320
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,760
started questioning hard besides the

1321
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,599
rest of us who had been run over for the

1322
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,079
years but you know um you know i said

1323
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,760
it's really fortuitous that you come out

1324
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,160
and there's this distraction that's not

1325
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,400
only a distraction but is a almost

1326
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,240
perfect distraction with someone who you

1327
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:52,000
can't argue with because she is she's

1328
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,720
she's

1329
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,160
nobody wants to how can you look at

1330
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,920
angeli and get angry you can't like

1331
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,000
she's such a nice person like even when

1332
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:59,839
she disagrees with people she does it in

1333
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:00,480
a

1334
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,319
it's cool you know you might not get the

1335
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,680
answers you want out of her but she's

1336
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,359
not like gonna attack you and call you a

1337
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,839
jerk and all that stuff so i really do

1338
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,000
admire her moxie you know and like you

1339
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,160
said her fire brand i admire that that

1340
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,480
when you know people you know that when

1341
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,079
i reached out to her to be here tonight

1342
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,839
and tweeted to her she responded within

1343
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,960
minutes and was like thank you but i

1344
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,800
can't be there you know like i admire

1345
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,880
that i i get that yeah she's she's a

1346
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,400
nice person so i don't i you know i

1347
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,880
don't want to beat her up or you know

1348
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,359
you know some some people

1349
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,960
you know i think it's

1350
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,800
it's not black and white there's gray

1351
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,480
areas like there's some people that are

1352
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,800
out there that you can research and you

1353
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,559
know that they're making things up

1354
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,640
they're selling fake information to

1355
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:43,760
believers

1356
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,480
they're very toxic people you know by my

1357
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,160
course by my documentary i'm going to

1358
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,760
tell you all the truth about aliens but

1359
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,520
they never seem to do it and they make

1360
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,079
you know tons of money for decades

1361
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,240
i didn't get that from her

1362
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:58,160
you know i just didn't get asking for

1363
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,040
anything

1364
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,960
right she didn't ask for money and in

1365
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,640
fact she did that whole remember witness

1366
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,800
citizen poll to get and you were on it

1367
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,480
like if she'd made that expedition to

1368
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,480
the to the mountain you were gonna be

1369
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,720
there right

1370
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,480
hello this is stephen

1371
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,480
dropped call again

1372
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,079
and this time it's from unknown i'm

1373
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,920
going to turn this off if anybody needs

1374
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,760
to contact me they know how to do it dm

1375
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,240
me on twitter it's at stevencambian

1376
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,319
or um

1377
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,520
pm me on facebook i'm gonna monitor each

1378
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,440
i was hoping that maybe that was her so

1379
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,200
charlie weiser says i do not think she

1380
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,680
made it all up or that she was dosed so

1381
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,760
what what do you think

1382
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,240
yeah where's the middle ground charlie

1383
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:40,480
remember she did not say

1384
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,280
on that day she saw aliens tunnels i

1385
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,119
think she may have incorporated that day

1386
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,200
into later experiences or meeting

1387
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,359
entities on other drugs or via

1388
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,640
meditation

1389
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,480
yeah maybe she conflated two different

1390
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,440
events

1391
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,520
that's good possibility

1392
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,960
well that would make sense to like you

1393
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,800
were saying too like how she continues

1394
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,640
to have these contacts and experiences

1395
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,079
as well

1396
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:03,920
right like she could be this one i never

1397
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,040
got rebecca turner says okay let me ask

1398
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,680
you guys this if angela if anjali was

1399
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,520
ugly and fat would you still believe her

1400
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,599
i bet most of you would not i know a lot

1401
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,040
of you want to

1402
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,119
because she's good looking yeah people

1403
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:18,880
accused me of being in love with her and

1404
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,520
simping for her or something and

1405
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,559
i i i don't get it you know

1406
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,920
i don't understand i don't care i don't

1407
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,359
think he talks or what she looks like

1408
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,640
but it's how she communicates with

1409
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,240
people right steven like she's very like

1410
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,000
we said she's personable so i wouldn't

1411
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,520
care if she was as you put it fat and

1412
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,440
ugly as long as she still talked to me

1413
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,119
with the same way that she does we'd

1414
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,599
have the same interaction

1415
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,400
yeah and i'm a pro i'm a really really

1416
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,960
married guy like i don't even think i

1417
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,280
look at other women like that i try not

1418
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,040
to i don't want to get beat up my wife's

1419
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:51,359
you know

1420
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,319
yeah i was gonna say that's kind of

1421
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,240
subjective anyways i mean you know

1422
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,920
attraction like that is all in in the

1423
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
eye of the beholder so

1424
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,400
yeah yeah but it's it's interesting

1425
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,839
though that a lot of people have cited

1426
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,240
her appearance and said that

1427
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,680
one of the reasons she had a whole bunch

1428
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,359
of male followers that were interested

1429
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,599
in ufos and aliens because she's

1430
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,960
attractive

1431
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,640
i don't see it but you know i i

1432
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,800
recognize that people think that maybe

1433
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,920
right

1434
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,599
yeah yeah

1435
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,960
you know like i said i just think that

1436
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,880
she's pleasant to talk to because she's

1437
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,880
very open and frank and it's like this

1438
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:23,760
is what i

1439
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:28,800
that's it it's refreshing you know like

1440
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,520
it's not having to sift through and read

1441
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:33,280
between the lines i mean maybe in some

1442
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,880
in some cases but with their direct

1443
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,119
experience it's not so that's what i was

1444
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:39,119
referring to but yeah i'm curious to you

1445
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,920
know

1446
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,960
yeah

1447
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,319
charlie if that's the case what do you

1448
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,839
believe i'm real curious what you think

1449
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:45,359
her motivations were to come out when

1450
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,480
she did

1451
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,160
you know um what was that a lot of

1452
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,319
people think it was a setup for writing

1453
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,640
books she wanted to sell some books

1454
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,000
in the future

1455
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,680
well i think if you follow charlie's

1456
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,440
early research that kind of syncs with

1457
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,040
the podcast and the other different

1458
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,119
attempts to liven up um what would

1459
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,960
normally seem as like a normal life and

1460
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,240
try to make it into something more

1461
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,559
creative you know so maybe we're seeing

1462
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,720
that um manifestation in a different

1463
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,559
form you know instead of on paper it's

1464
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,400
in reality now or in a in a public

1465
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:14,079
persona or i don't i don't know i mean

1466
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,880
like

1467
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,559
we'd have to really get into who is aunt

1468
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,240
jolly to answer that and she should be

1469
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,880
here to answer that um yeah we don't

1470
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:22,800
want to speak for her she's gonna i'm

1471
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,640
trying to take on this yeah yeah

1472
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,839
i think it is interesting though that

1473
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,200
wayne has just straight up said look

1474
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,280
there's no tunnel that's all garbage you

1475
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,960
know and i wonder if at this point if

1476
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,960
anyone is still interested you know hey

1477
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,800
wayne if bob bigelow pops up and says

1478
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:38,240
hey i want to buy your mountain for 20

1479
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,040
mil

1480
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,480
take it just don't let him write a

1481
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,480
little uh asterix in there that says oh

1482
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,319
if we don't find a tunnel the deal's off

1483
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:46,800
say it's sight unseen and it sold as is

1484
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,280
for 20 mil you can have it you know but

1485
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,520
uh yeah

1486
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,359
other than that she wants

1487
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,359
disappointed dudes when there's no

1488
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,680
aliens if you spend 20 million you know

1489
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,760
wayne take bob's money he's got plenty

1490
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:01,440
to share

1491
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,559
go ahead

1492
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,559
but yeah i mean otherwise maybe he would

1493
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:06,160
let a civilian group come in there at

1494
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,520
some point if he really wants to clear

1495
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,280
the air and say i'm done you know like

1496
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,480
it sounds like

1497
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:12,000
before he didn't want that remember

1498
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,440
angeli was saying oh well wayne doesn't

1499
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,720
want all this attention he doesn't want

1500
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,800
all this attention um he doesn't want

1501
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,319
people all over the place but now it

1502
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,680
sounds like wayne is coming out a little

1503
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:21,119
bit so he might be

1504
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,720
a little bit more responsive he might

1505
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,240
say hey yeah if you guys want to do some

1506
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:26,240
kind of thing over there we'll do it you

1507
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,760
know i'll let one of these people who

1508
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,960
offered to pay a little bit of money to

1509
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,640
come in and film something do it you

1510
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,640
know or just do it as a service to show

1511
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,599
you there's no ding tunnel this is all

1512
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,280
you know a story so

1513
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,520
i don't know maybe maybe um as charlie's

1514
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,800
communicating with wayne he'll come

1515
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,400
around i mean i know it's hard because

1516
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,240
charlie's on one side of the world and

1517
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,319
wayne lives down south of me a few hours

1518
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:47,760
you know

1519
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,920
good for you for doing that research

1520
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,440
charlie and for digging in and not

1521
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:55,359
letting go i appreciate it for one and i

1522
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,190
yeah and you know it's interesting that

1523
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:03,760
there's still such intense interest in

1524
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,319
her story given the fact that there is

1525
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,240
literally zero evidence other than her

1526
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,000
testimony of what she claims happened to

1527
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:12,319
her i i found

1528
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,520
the the interest in her story was

1529
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,520
amazing to me that so many people were

1530
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,160
interested whether there's no

1531
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,599
you know normally when somebody comes

1532
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,800
out with one of these stories they have

1533
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,520
some kind of some kind of proof you know

1534
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,680
it's usually pretty uh

1535
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,240
pretty weak or you know one of those

1536
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,640
maybe this may be proof but they show

1537
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,760
something

1538
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,319
other than testimony but

1539
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,920
you know i think people like corey good

1540
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:40,000
open the door for people to just come

1541
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,760
and tell a good story and people jump

1542
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,920
all over it because

1543
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:45,839
this hunger for this information to be

1544
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,799
true and real and and for people want

1545
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,119
new information about this and this was

1546
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,680
a new story which is rare in this thing

1547
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,200
brand new story

1548
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,880
let me yeah let me ask you this okay

1549
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,559
like and and this is a complete

1550
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,240
hypothetical i'm not saying that this is

1551
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,200
what anjali has done but let's just say

1552
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:04,720
let's just say that the intelligence

1553
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,359
community wanted to do a kind of test to

1554
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,839
see how much traction a completely

1555
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,839
unverified story could get with the

1556
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,280
minimal amount of credentials because

1557
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,880
let's face it her intelligence

1558
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,480
credentials were in the 70s and they

1559
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,559
weren't very she wasn't there for a long

1560
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,640
time if i remember correctly it was it

1561
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:23,200
was a very short period of time so the

1562
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:24,880
point being if you wanted to say hey

1563
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,079
let's take a very very very very junior

1564
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,920
person with minimal experience and see

1565
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,599
how far they can get on a on a

1566
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,920
completely unsubstantiated story this

1567
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,000
would be a perfect experiment because it

1568
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,000
shows that she not only got her foot in

1569
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,920
the door but actually probably gained a

1570
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,920
little bit of traction after the initial

1571
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,520
dive when things didn't go through for

1572
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,079
the expedition you know but pretty much

1573
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,160
since then she's she's gained some

1574
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,760
traction and she's got some respect but

1575
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,440
people have been like you and me were

1576
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:53,119
just like what's there to talk about

1577
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,079
until there's something new which

1578
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,319
finally there is with charlie's new drop

1579
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,559
of this information you know so

1580
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,319
we just didn't have anything for so long

1581
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:02,160
because and you know angeli was the

1582
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,359
first to say that well there's nothing

1583
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,440
real new i can't you know i can tell you

1584
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,280
about the same story and over over and

1585
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,799
over again or tell you about my opinions

1586
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,240
or philosophies but that's got nothing

1587
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,200
to do with the the purple alien wayne

1588
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,440
the mountain and all of that you know so

1589
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,280
i think that's she's been writing that a

1590
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,119
long time and i wouldn't be surprised if

1591
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,960
even if she wasn't an op

1592
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,559
she was allowed to do that so that they

1593
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,559
could operate so they could look at it

1594
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,559
and see how far it went and see how to

1595
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,079
critique it so that they could use that

1596
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,640
tactic in the future you know um

1597
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,920
that might be why someone from the

1598
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:34,079
intelligence agency just didn't out her

1599
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,359
right away and say

1600
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,040
you know she was a you know only worked

1601
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,960
here a few years or there's no reason

1602
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,720
for this to be legit but

1603
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,319
you know good for wayne for coming out

1604
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,920
and speaking up i'm really glad to hear

1605
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,880
that um

1606
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,280
it's kind of sad it took so long but i i

1607
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,280
can understand why wayne wanted to

1608
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,799
remain out of it because of all of the

1609
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,720
public scrutiny you know like like you

1610
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,480
said at the beginning of the show she

1611
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,319
had inadvertently let the cat out of the

1612
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,400
bag and given way too much information

1613
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,559
because anjali underestimated the

1614
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,559
internet you know like if people want to

1615
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:04,160
find out where you're at because they'll

1616
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,680
they'll look at the moss on a tree to

1617
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,040
figure out where you're at and they will

1618
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,720
find you if enough people are looking

1619
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,160
you know it's happened we've seen it

1620
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,799
many many times so um

1621
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,640
you know she underestimated the internet

1622
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,079
i think she kind of underestimated

1623
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,920
twitter too with all the skepticism that

1624
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,240
she was going to get on there um but she

1625
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:22,480
handled it like a champ by doing that

1626
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,599
community um witness citizen thing like

1627
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,280
that to me i was just like if this goes

1628
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,200
through i'm 100 and jolly man because i

1629
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:31,200
might i i was pumping for you stephen

1630
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:32,319
and there was a couple other people i

1631
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:33,119
knew that were on there and i was

1632
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,480
telling everybody go vote for stephen go

1633
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,240
vote for our people get get some person

1634
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,240
that we know personally on this

1635
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,000
committee because i want to know someone

1636
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,839
who goes into that mountain and says yes

1637
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,760
there's an alien in there i'll be like

1638
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,119
i'll take your word for it stephen show

1639
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,599
me the video that you shot you know um

1640
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,440
and i wanted to i was right i would have

1641
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,760
went if if there was something to it i

1642
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,440
you know if she's you know i would have

1643
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,040
went and v is saying

1644
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:57,040
which one of us is mispronouncing her

1645
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,319
name is it angeli or ajali

1646
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:02,319
you know like i think she's okay with

1647
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,359
either pronunciation i i don't know i i

1648
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,200
say anjali

1649
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,880
i've always said it on julie too i

1650
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:10,559
thought was i saying

1651
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,680
jolly if people are upset if no offense

1652
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,599
and this is listen no offense but if

1653
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,680
you're gonna pick a made-up name and it

1654
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:19,440
has some weird pronunciation people

1655
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,720
might get it wrong

1656
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,680
right

1657
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,680
so you know and no disrespect intended

1658
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,760
to her if i get it if i get it wrong

1659
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:27,359
yeah i mean either definitely like i've

1660
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,079
always been respectful to anjali

1661
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,839
anjali who you know what i'm saying and

1662
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,440
jolly i've always been respectful to her

1663
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,480
and i don't know why people want to

1664
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,160
think i'm trying to disrespect her i'm

1665
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,079
not but there are some questions with

1666
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:39,520
her story you know

1667
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:42,079
so um yeah i'll be curious what she says

1668
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,839
when she sees this she told us to talk

1669
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,440
about it and to get it out there you

1670
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,240
know so that's what we're doing um

1671
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,000
and i will i'll wait for a response i

1672
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:52,240
follow her on twitter and you know i'll

1673
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,839
wait to see what she has to say i hope

1674
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:55,839
it's not too long because i'm curious

1675
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,890
but you know

1676
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,400
[Music]

1677
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:59,680
what are you guys what does the channel

1678
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,799
think about this what do people in the

1679
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,640
chat think about this new information i

1680
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,280
mean do they feel like they're

1681
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,880
what do you guys think you still do you

1682
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:08,160
think there's something there or do you

1683
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,359
think it's more of a mundane issue

1684
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,119
there's no she said there's no lee at

1685
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,990
then how am i supposed to say it and see

1686
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,359
that's what i'm saying some people are

1687
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,599
so particular about everything

1688
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:23,440
angel lee

1689
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:30,390
i don't know record it and play a video

1690
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,440
for us so we know i mean i don't i'm not

1691
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:36,079
sure i'm not being disrespectful but um

1692
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:37,599
yeah and

1693
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,640
i don't know she didn't say anything

1694
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:39,839
about me butchering her name when i was

1695
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,270
anyhow by the way uh just uh a mention

1696
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:50,240
there manny somebody was in the uh live

1697
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:53,839
chat doxing me and nailed my wife

1698
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,760
so they were removed

1699
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,520
tonight right now in this in this

1700
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,720
yesterday right in our live chat

1701
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,720
somebody's talking about

1702
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,240
you know uh

1703
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:04,000
doxing my

1704
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:05,280
legal name

1705
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,480
they mentioned my wife's first name

1706
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:10,319
yeah we all know this isn't answer the

1707
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,270
answer i want to play a game answer the

1708
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,119
question right and your wife lives

1709
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,720
answer it wrong and you won't make the

1710
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:19,760
sequel

1711
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,960
and they keep ringing my phone

1712
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,200
three guesses who these are that [\h__\h]

1713
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,960
oh i saw that was that the guy with the

1714
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,640
little screen mask in the chat in the

1715
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,760
chat

1716
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,680
yeah that's not

1717
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,559
oh yeah really

1718
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,319
oh i see what they're doing there that's

1719
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,480
just terrible you know and uh enough of

1720
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:40,400
reports of that to youtube will get an

1721
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,839
ip address so i hope they're they're

1722
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,119
bouncing their signal through a few

1723
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,920
different vpns not just one

1724
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,920
yeah you know i apologize on the name

1725
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,440
thing like i want to pronounce her name

1726
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,200
right i think i even asked her when she

1727
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:53,040
was on my show i have to review exactly

1728
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,400
how she says

1729
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,240
people should say her name and and we'll

1730
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:58,400
say it

1731
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,680
yeah i think people are just looking for

1732
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,200
a reason to be upset there that's fake

1733
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:03,040
rage i'm sorry ann jolly knows that i've

1734
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,079
never butchered her name or been

1735
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:06,079
disrespectful to her and if she feels

1736
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,440
that way i'd like to hear from her

1737
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:08,799
because i feel like

1738
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,599
oh maybe it's me then it's anjali not on

1739
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,000
jolly i you know i'm sorry

1740
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,160
they don't disrespect intended

1741
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,760
but you know so

1742
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,280
yeah you know like people do pick on

1743
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,640
names they look at the appearance you

1744
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,000
know that's all that this little

1745
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,760
sarcastic you know character

1746
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,680
assassination stuff that's that's

1747
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,280
nothing like going into a chat with

1748
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,880
somebody's personal information like

1749
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,280
that's just beyond any sort of norm like

1750
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,880
that person needs some psychological

1751
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:34,640
help

1752
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,480
or incarceration maybe

1753
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:40,240
yeah

1754
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,880
you'll remember like

1755
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:46,880
yeah and that that ghostface person is

1756
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,280
the one that keeps ringing my phone like

1757
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:50,960
great now i have to change my cell phone

1758
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,319
number because some [\h__\h] have it

1759
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,319
yeah yeah we all have to they're

1760
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,400
literally threatening my literally

1761
01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:00,640
threatening my family in the live chat

1762
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,920
well we'll be addressing that we talked

1763
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,520
about that before the show remember like

1764
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,720
there's there's other ways we can

1765
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,799
address that that are not don't require

1766
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,480
these passive systems to be in place

1767
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:11,520
that aren't working so we'll handle that

1768
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,400
yeah

1769
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:14,319
but you know angelia i hope you do hear

1770
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,599
this and i hope you feel comfortable

1771
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:16,960
coming on talking about this sometime

1772
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:18,720
because you're in a this is a respectful

1773
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,319
platform it would be a comfortable

1774
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:22,319
conversation no one's going to try to

1775
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,920
jump on your gotcha all the

1776
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:26,079
information's right there so you know

1777
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,359
figure out how you want to address it

1778
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:29,039
and come on sometimes so we can talk

1779
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,319
because people here want to know your

1780
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,400
side but you know as it stands if she

1781
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,839
doesn't answer this then there's pretty

1782
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,760
much no reason to ever

1783
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,839
talk about her her again really as far

1784
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:39,359
as i'm concerned her story is pretty

1785
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:40,160
much

1786
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:41,599
debunked as a

1787
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:44,079
as a vision or a you know drug-induced

1788
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,520
hallucination or something like that

1789
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,440
unless she can refute the

1790
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:50,400
the research that charlie's done here so

1791
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:51,760
um

1792
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:55,359
yeah we'll see how she responds

1793
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:56,319
yeah

1794
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,589
i'm sorry i'm a little distracted

1795
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:05,039
looking at these messages from this

1796
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:06,240
[\h__\h]

1797
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:08,000
yeah no i get that and that's exactly

1798
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,520
why they do that stephen oh they said

1799
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:11,599
i'm standing out they said i'm standing

1800
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,270
you know things are going a little too

1801
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,520
far with the certain show host [\h__\h]

1802
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,839
who doxxed me and and now apparently

1803
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,359
everybody's got

1804
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:27,039
some personal information in mind and

1805
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:28,400
people are going to come and

1806
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,640
come at me and make threats you know

1807
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,240
good luck if you come to my house

1808
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,480
because i've got a lot of weapons

1809
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:36,160
wasn't there a youtuber by the name of

1810
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:37,680
boogie where someone showed up at his

1811
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:39,119
house and they got a pistol shoved in

1812
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:40,640
their face because of stuff like this

1813
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,400
you know like this is america you

1814
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,680
probably don't want to go knocking on

1815
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,119
people's door and harassing them that's

1816
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,680
a pretty bad bad idea or threatening

1817
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,680
their wife on a public live stream in

1818
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:51,359
the live chat that's pretty [\h__\h]

1819
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:52,480
stupid

1820
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,240
and people who threaten are just looking

1821
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,079
for attention otherwise they just do it

1822
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,880
so um you know whatever we

1823
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:02,400
yeah too bad it's sad that you have to

1824
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,760
deal with that because of this and that

1825
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:05,520
all that all that started didn't that

1826
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:07,920
all that start when you it's your fault

1827
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,390
it's all your fault

1828
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:14,559
yeah we'll be talking more about that in

1829
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,559
the future too in different platforms

1830
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,480
you know but um yeah

1831
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,559
so i don't know man i think at this

1832
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,160
point the i think the book is pretty

1833
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,839
much closed down on jolly if she doesn't

1834
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:25,599
respond to this and again it's this is

1835
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,240
pretty much day one so um you know she

1836
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,760
needs to be given some time to respond

1837
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:31,039
to that it's not fair to call her up

1838
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,480
before yeah like

1839
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,480
can you come on the show in 60 minutes

1840
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,799
you know yeah i agree that was yeah i

1841
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,319
didn't know i was going to do this until

1842
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:40,640
right before the you know an hour before

1843
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:42,160
the show or whatever i was kind of

1844
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:43,839
debating whether i wanted to cover it or

1845
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,400
not but since everybody asked me for an

1846
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,559
update on this audrey story and there

1847
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,400
was really no update to give and now i

1848
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:52,240
felt like well this is new information

1849
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,359
and people

1850
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:54,720
should know that

1851
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,520
these so-called witnesses to her story

1852
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:59,520
refute most of what she said in her

1853
01:05:01,510 --> 01:05:00,640
story

1854
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,520
you know

1855
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,920
mm-hmm and and again and and it does

1856
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,319
refute it has more of a feel of reality

1857
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:08,559
to it than the you know the the counter

1858
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:11,039
story which was quite fantastic to be

1859
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:13,039
amazing or to be blood you know i mean

1860
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:17,119
it was just extraordinary um but yeah

1861
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:18,640
i guess we'll see we'll see what happens

1862
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,280
when she responds and um

1863
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,789
yeah uh and and i want to mention that

1864
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,400
you know she's welcome to come here

1865
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:30,559
anytime and she there's an open door

1866
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:32,559
here she can come and give her side of

1867
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,640
the story we'll be respectful we'll be

1868
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:37,039
kind to her as kind as and respectful as

1869
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:38,559
we can be

1870
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:39,520
um

1871
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,079
that's all we can do here and i'd

1872
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,400
be happy to give her an opportunity to

1873
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:45,520
talk about

1874
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,079
these recent revelations and if she

1875
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,400
disputes what they've said great you

1876
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,559
know she can tell her side of it

1877
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,160
um

1878
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:55,920
well what's it gonna take to get uh you

1879
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,599
know get all three of them on a live

1880
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,680
stream together and just say let's hash

1881
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:01,599
this out in public you know like it

1882
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,240
seems like they represented their story

1883
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:06,079
and you know it synced with all the

1884
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,359
facts that we found you know the

1885
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:09,200
ambulance and all that other stuff like

1886
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:10,559
you've got one story that fits the

1887
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,960
evidence and the other that has

1888
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,079
i guess fits the evidence because she

1889
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,599
admitted the ambulance showed up but is

1890
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:17,280
a completely different take on it you

1891
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,400
know so

1892
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,920
um yeah it should be interesting to see

1893
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,359
how this unfolds and i'm curious of what

1894
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:23,119
other people's takes are

1895
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,720
you know on the the new evidence so

1896
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,160
we'll see how people are responding to

1897
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:27,920
it out there on twitter and if anyone

1898
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,750
yeah i you know i i don't know where the

1899
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,119
story goes from here where do you think

1900
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,720
it goes from here so she could just

1901
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,640
refute what they said and keep going

1902
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:40,079
with her

1903
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:43,680
contact stories i guess you know

1904
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,599
yeah like i said if she doesn't address

1905
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:47,039
it i just don't see how anyone can take

1906
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:49,119
her seriously she has to address this

1907
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,839
this counter story because it's pretty

1908
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:53,680
even without any evidence it's just a

1909
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,079
straight counter story that you know

1910
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,839
counteracts hers and she doesn't have

1911
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,680
any evidence either so

1912
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,160
you know like i said one smells like uh

1913
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:03,760
reality and the other sounds like a

1914
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,880
interpretation or a perspective so or a

1915
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:07,920
delusion

1916
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,960
just see what happens you know it's it

1917
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,559
like i said it's still just day one for

1918
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,319
me i just found you know was made aware

1919
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:18,960
of this today um and i don't know like

1920
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,839
you said angeli's obviously been uh

1921
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,359
aware of it for a while if there was

1922
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:25,680
some sort of response to it you know um

1923
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,559
so

1924
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:28,480
that i'm kind of curious why she didn't

1925
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:29,520
just

1926
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,599
address it then you know why wait for

1927
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,359
someone on this these platforms to bring

1928
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:34,799
it out why wait for someone on twitter

1929
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,119
or youtube why not contact charlie

1930
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:39,280
directly and say hey you know like this

1931
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,799
is my side you know like let's squash

1932
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:42,799
this you know but

1933
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,680
maybe she can't maybe she can't so you

1934
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,520
know what i'd like to do

1935
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,000
i'd like to have wayne and trisha and

1936
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,799
ashley on one show

1937
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,240
right and let's

1938
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,240
hash it out yeah i would really like to

1939
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,559
do that because

1940
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,480
then we're going to get

1941
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:02,319
a better sense of which one of these

1942
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,000
people are

1943
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:05,680
which side of the story is the true

1944
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,119
story and which side is an embellished

1945
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:10,960
or made-up account

1946
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,599
or misinterpret it again i want to give

1947
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,920
be as fair to her as possible some

1948
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:18,000
people are saying she may have conflated

1949
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,520
you know multiple events down to one or

1950
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:23,520
you know

1951
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:30,080
and way delicate with the situation

1952
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,679
which is is good you know because you

1953
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,600
sense that there might be more than you

1954
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,199
know you we've talked about there might

1955
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,199
be some potential psychological problems

1956
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,359
or physiological problems that might be

1957
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,199
involved here and so you always want to

1958
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:43,199
be a little you know if that's the case

1959
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,319
you want to be a little bit more

1960
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:46,640
reserved and a little bit more patient

1961
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,520
um but you know angelia said that's not

1962
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:51,279
the case she was checked out by the va

1963
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,319
she's a sound fit minded body

1964
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,759
where are we to go with that you know it

1965
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,839
sounds more and more like a drug-induced

1966
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,480
hallucination and a and a very great

1967
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:02,000
experience that maybe could have been

1968
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,920
used to humble one's person and make

1969
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,279
themselves look at things a little

1970
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,000
differently but is not necessarily in my

1971
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,319
opinion ongoing contact with any form of

1972
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,319
alien species you know i we just haven't

1973
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:14,400
seen any evidence of that so

1974
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:15,679
um

1975
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,719
yeah yeah it's this it's unfortunate

1976
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,480
though that you know some people were

1977
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,239
nasty to her and i decided i wasn't

1978
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,239
going to be one of them you know and i

1979
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,759
took a lot of flack for actually being

1980
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,359
kinder to her than i've been to many

1981
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:29,359
other people because you know how i am

1982
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:31,040
like this person frog

1983
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,560
you know and then her i was a little

1984
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:35,279
more gentle with about the whole thing

1985
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,159
right

1986
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,920
yeah well you know and i'm taking a page

1987
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:39,199
out of that too we can all be a little

1988
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,799
bit more gentler when we're dealing with

1989
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:42,400
people that we are disagreeing with or

1990
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:44,159
that we are confronting about things you

1991
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:47,199
know like um and uh you know it's not

1992
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,880
just her maybe you're seeing a trend in

1993
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,719
people who are are changing in the in

1994
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,960
this timeframe you know but it could

1995
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:55,040
just be her too like i said she's real

1996
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,640
endearing you know like when you talk to

1997
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,040
her she's real personable and she makes

1998
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,880
you feel like she listens to you and is

1999
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,320
communicating with you and not just

2000
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,400
talking at you like she's a very

2001
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,159
personable person so that might be part

2002
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,480
of it too is that you know like that's a

2003
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,840
kind of a tactic to make sure that

2004
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,600
people aren't going to call you out too

2005
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,800
much you know like

2006
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:14,560
other people who do that things too that

2007
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,920
same thing too they'll give you a

2008
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,520
compliment the second year on the show

2009
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,040
or the you know like i pointed out

2010
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:21,840
elizondo does when he he got on uh

2011
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,360
the black vault with john greenwald and

2012
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:25,040
he's like oh we fear you at the pentagon

2013
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,880
you're a foia guy you're this that and

2014
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,560
then i started noticing how on every

2015
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,400
show he goes to he's got some little

2016
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,239
hey buddy for the co for the host you

2017
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,760
know it's like hey we're pals don't

2018
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,760
don't rock me too hard you know don't

2019
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:38,000
ask me any hard questions because

2020
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:39,360
it's the game

2021
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:42,960
these guys play they do go in the

2022
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,080
softball ufo circle jerk and and uh keep

2023
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,800
keep selling whatever their wares are

2024
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:49,920
yeah

2025
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,239
and that's just kind of people do that

2026
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,840
you know your car salesman does the same

2027
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:55,199
thing when you walk on the lot if you're

2028
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,960
wearing a portland trailblazer's hat

2029
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,560
he's gonna be like blazers if you've got

2030
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,000
a raiders hat on he's gonna be like

2031
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,400
raiders you know like he doesn't care um

2032
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,400
it's a sales technique a manipulation

2033
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:05,679
technique so

2034
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,560
um i don't you know i'm we're trans i'm

2035
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:10,560
talking about lou and anjali there so i

2036
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:19,189
you know what you know what i i i will

2037
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,239
say is that i am getting i was getting

2038
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,560
very prejudiced against anybody coming

2039
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:27,360
out with a story about aliens or ufos or

2040
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,400
you know because of the amount of people

2041
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:32,960
that are full of [\h__\h] and and

2042
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,360
fraudsters out there you start thinking

2043
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,520
they must all be like this and i don't

2044
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,120
believe that's the case any longer i'm

2045
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,040
trying to be kinder to people and you

2046
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,040
know especially experiences and other

2047
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,880
things because i don't know what's going

2048
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,640
on in their heads or what is creating

2049
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:47,920
these

2050
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,679
incredible experiences that they claim

2051
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,120
that they have

2052
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,520
you know it's easy to start conflating

2053
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,560
these

2054
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,239
you know and going well

2055
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,560
if if we've shown that 10 of these

2056
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:00,719
people out there in ufo land making

2057
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,960
money from this or fraudsters then why

2058
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,280
not all of them right but i'm still

2059
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,280
hopeful that some people are are not on

2060
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:09,199
the take

2061
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,360
yeah you know and there are some that

2062
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,800
that are not on the take i think the

2063
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,360
vast majority of people are out in this

2064
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,520
field and doing this for their you know

2065
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:20,400
sincere best efforts you know um where

2066
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:22,159
it starts to get questioning is when big

2067
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:23,840
money comes into it always you know big

2068
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:26,080
money is is where you start to worry

2069
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,920
about things and people losing their you

2070
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:30,480
know their uh base you know and and

2071
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:32,560
tending to get out of

2072
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:34,400
reality and into their own little worlds

2073
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:35,600
you know like you said earlier their

2074
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,480
bubble

2075
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,120
so um but this field is full of people

2076
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,199
and it's just i think it's a a trend

2077
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,679
that's mirroring the mainstream media

2078
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,440
and you know the rest of our lives you

2079
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,679
know like we're seeing this distrust in

2080
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,920
this news for profit in this in this

2081
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:52,000
disclosure for profit in this buy my

2082
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,520
this by my that and so people are

2083
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:55,520
exposure for dollars there's amazing

2084
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:57,040
closure yeah

2085
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:58,640
people are looking more to independent

2086
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,400
people like yourself and myself you know

2087
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:02,400
we're we're out there doing this because

2088
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:03,600
we're trying to find the truth for

2089
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:05,120
ourselves and at the same time share it

2090
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,040
with people as we learn it so

2091
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:09,199
um you know i think we might see a rise

2092
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:11,199
of that not only in ufology but also in

2093
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:13,520
other elements of our culture

2094
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:14,960
people are going to start looking more

2095
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,400
and more for independent journalists

2096
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:18,080
independent free thinkers things like

2097
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,120
that

2098
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,440
because it seems like every every

2099
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:23,280
mainstream story nowadays is about

2100
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,800
clicks and views and money and they

2101
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,040
don't really care about the the news or

2102
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:29,360
the truth or the research hardly at all

2103
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:30,560
so

2104
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:33,280
the pendulum is swinging back

2105
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:34,960
well let's hope so you know i need a

2106
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,070
it's interesting though that you know i

2107
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:42,080
we've got handicaps though because we're

2108
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,520
talking about a lot of facts and

2109
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,679
evidence and well-researched material

2110
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,520
and other people are just

2111
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,520
telling stories and that's what gets the

2112
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:51,360
clicks and the views and the and the

2113
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,719
attention it's sad it makes me sad

2114
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,640
because you know i can't just make [\h__\h]

2115
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:58,800
up here we gotta give people facts and

2116
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:01,280
evidence so it's like you have a

2117
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:02,640
you and me are both trying to run a

2118
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,159
marathon with two broken legs manny

2119
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:08,239
right and a backpack full of weights i

2120
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:10,080
feel you you know like uh

2121
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:11,679
yeah it is hard and we're you know

2122
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,280
there's a lot of money out there i was

2123
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,040
talking to a guy a few years back who

2124
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:17,040
works for still works for yahoo and i

2125
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:18,320
said oh really yahoo's still around what

2126
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,159
the hell are you guys doing nowadays and

2127
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:21,760
it turns out that they're in like search

2128
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:24,560
engine optimization and analytics and i

2129
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:26,719
and he started going off about this rant

2130
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,159
in the mainstream about how everything's

2131
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:29,920
rage culture now because they did a

2132
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,480
study once that shows that people click

2133
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:34,320
on rage filled headlines and and

2134
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,880
thumbnails 400 percent more than they do

2135
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,480
on the wholesome stuff like then

2136
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,960
everything became rage filled

2137
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,840
yeah then everything becomes that yeah i

2138
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,600
i i know somebody that i grew up with

2139
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,120
that believe it or not lives in new york

2140
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:48,640
and you know what he does he writes

2141
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:51,679
stories about uh

2142
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,880
celebrities

2143
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:55,280
and uh and it's the stupidest he writes

2144
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,280
the stupidest stuff he hates his life

2145
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,040
because he didn't become a writer to do

2146
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:01,199
that but that's what people click on you

2147
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,920
know

2148
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,520
look at this there's a story today that

2149
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:05,520
jason momoa is getting back with lisa

2150
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,640
bonet

2151
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,120
millions of people clicked on that story

2152
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,960
so you can imagine that there's revenue

2153
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:13,120
when millions of people you know but it

2154
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:14,480
doesn't make that

2155
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:17,040
the story have any real value i guess

2156
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:18,000
you know

2157
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,520
and we know that you can promote things

2158
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,960
too i mean there's ways to make sure

2159
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:22,480
that people click on these things by

2160
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,159
shoving it down their throat putting it

2161
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,480
at the top of search orders placing ads

2162
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,560
on you know network television that are

2163
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:30,320
friendly or owned by the same people you

2164
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,600
know there's all kinds of ways to get

2165
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:33,360
your story out there that's all profit

2166
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,679
driven and you know that's really kind

2167
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,679
of what we've come up with in ufology

2168
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,600
that i touched on and who's lou about

2169
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,760
how this ufo narrative just kept getting

2170
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,360
perpetuated because nobody wanted to

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01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:44,960
stop it because it was making them all

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01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:47,120
money i mean in the forms of clicks and

2173
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,880
views not that they were not like it was

2174
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,960
conspiracy but if they're just like hey

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01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,239
this is the latest thing and i'm not

2176
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,960
going to be the one guy to rock the boat

2177
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:56,320
you know well when it's when it's

2178
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,600
suddenly it's on cnn a lot and fox news

2179
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,440
you know that they're making money from

2180
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:03,040
it because they don't do a story unless

2181
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,320
they're making money from it and i want

2182
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,400
to thank ash jobs for kind of generous

2183
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,120
10 super chat says thanks super thanks

2184
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,960
truth seekers thanks manny good night

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01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,280
friends anybody else have any money to

2186
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:15,040
throw at me there's a money button down

2187
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:16,239
there get them in now because we're

2188
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:17,760
going to be wrapping things up call this

2189
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,480
a short one uh you know

2190
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:22,880
i still have to make the uh patreon

2191
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:24,400
video for tonight

2192
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:26,320
so if you're a patreon supporter make

2193
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,320
sure that you check out uh the patreon

2194
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:30,640
links it'll be up in the few hours from

2195
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,390
yeah i see some friendly faces out there

2196
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:37,920
i'm gonna give them all shout outs now

2197
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,159
if you don't mind man yeah yeah be my

2198
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,640
guest for the love of kitties that's mr

2199
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,719
bubbles uh kitty adoption channel and

2200
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,159
cat videos he does some really cool

2201
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:48,480
stuff i know that i see mr eons out

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01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,920
there even though we got into a little

2203
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,440
argument the other day good to see you

2204
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:55,910
the glitch loop there's all kinds of

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01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:58,480
people ash dobbs yeah not my rabbit hole

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01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:01,280
terry joyce is here cyber mind arcade

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01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,360
tonight shout out and we said v

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01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:07,760
uh and of course ash dobbs our kind and

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01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,159
generous 10 super chatter for tonight we

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01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,159
have captain corrosive

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01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:14,640
uh b baker of course holding down the

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01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:17,520
live chat moderation and kelly

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01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,600
12 feet tall

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01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,239
uh rugged source yeah we mentioned

2215
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:24,719
mysterion is here armstrong armstrong is

2216
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:27,760
here davina is here shelley michelle

2217
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:29,360
morris and troubled minds from the

2218
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:31,120
troubled minds podcast is here always

2219
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:33,040
good to see him in the chat that means

2220
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,560
i'm doing something right because he's

2221
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,719
got a good show so if he's listening

2222
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,719
that means my show's not completely

2223
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,920
shitty

2224
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,840
right it's got to be at least decent if

2225
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,360
he's listening because he's got a great

2226
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,440
show

2227
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:47,440
yeah

2228
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:51,280
everybody and sunrose homesteader

2229
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,560
randall hill glitch loop liz g ash dobbs

2230
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:56,320
i think we got a bunch of you

2231
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,760
william

2232
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,480
mr d.b cooper no the people are calling

2233
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,800
my uh calling me from a private number

2234
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,320
again lord ludacris plaid with the kind

2235
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,320
of generous dollar 99 says great show

2236
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:08,000
keep up the fight manny and steve thanks

2237
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,440
for your kindness your generosity and

2238
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:11,280
your support of the show we're a viewer

2239
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,750
i should have i should have brought

2240
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,360
maddie uh i should have got maddie to

2241
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:18,960
get a poll or something we can make him

2242
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,440
dance for the super chats right

2243
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:23,199
now that would probably make people not

2244
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,679
pay money right you could pay them for

2245
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,600
yeah i know i always say i'm gonna i

2246
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:29,280
need extra money so i'm gonna start at

2247
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:32,080
only fans but on my only fans you have

2248
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,719
to pay to see me put my clothes back on

2249
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,880
that's how mine's gonna work

2250
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,560
don't pay i'm gonna start ripping them

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01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,480
off so keep yeah yeah

2252
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:42,480
if you want to keep it sane yeah i don't

2253
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,840
think i don't think there's much else to

2254
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,040
talk about so i think we're going to

2255
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:48,159
jump off here because uh until until

2256
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,840
there's new developments or she really

2257
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:51,600
responds she kind of responded but she

2258
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,960
didn't address each of these

2259
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,320
sort of uh

2260
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:58,480
i don't know plot points that they are

2261
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:59,679
uh

2262
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,560
they are disputing captain corrosive

2263
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,480
wayne is a stun and we love him thank

2264
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,080
you for your kindness for generosity and

2265
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,159
your support big five dollar super chat

2266
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:09,920
very generous of you

2267
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,920
go away okay it says thanks for the

2268
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,640
update stephen another great show yeah i

2269
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:17,040
uh i i'm glad that i could give an

2270
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,560
update everybody keeps asking me and i'm

2271
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:20,080
like what do you want me to say nothing

2272
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:21,600
happened

2273
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,800
yeah the uh the expedition got cancelled

2274
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,360
and the hype train went away and now

2275
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,600
she's just talking about you know stuff

2276
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,920
on twitter that the aliens tell her

2277
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:33,679
since then there's not much of a story

2278
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:36,159
there but this tonight is a story

2279
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,159
because now we've got two people she

2280
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:40,560
claims were witnesses to her experience

2281
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:43,360
refuting most of what she claimed

2282
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,149
so yeah we'll just have to see what she

2283
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,480
says until then there won't be any new

2284
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:52,239
news on angeli there's no reason to

2285
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,840
really talk about her at that point you

2286
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:55,760
know it's just kind of case closed

2287
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,480
unfortunately but hey we can still maybe

2288
01:20:01,590 --> 01:20:00,159
she'll join ufology and do some

2289
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,600
investigating of her own and do some

2290
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:03,199
other things that are interesting we'll

2291
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,560
see

2292
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,400
yeah i mean i wish her the best you know

2293
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,880
i think she she uh

2294
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:10,320
she believes that she's the kind of

2295
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:13,679
chosen person to do some great thing for

2296
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:17,600
humanity and i you know i guess i can

2297
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:19,040
you know all i can do is wish her the

2298
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:21,440
best and then and uh

2299
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,400
you know

2300
01:20:26,629 --> 01:20:24,239
hope that uh whatever's going on with

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01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:26,639
her that she is uh

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01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,920
at peace and uh and happy and you know

2303
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:31,920
okay it can't be good to have this much

2304
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:34,239
scrutiny on you for this long

2305
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:36,880
you know it's got to be uh

2306
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:39,920
taxing you know she's on twitter

2307
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:42,159
people are people are being nasty to her

2308
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,760
attacking her or saying she's full of

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01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,600
[\h__\h] or whatever

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01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,400
for months on end it takes a toll on you

2311
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:50,159
you know

2312
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,600
yeah and i hope nobody's out there just

2313
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,960
blasting her like that she doesn't

2314
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:54,400
deserve that come on she's not

2315
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:57,600
aggressive or or hostile or combative or

2316
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,719
anything like that she's quite the

2317
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,880
opposite so if you want to disagree with

2318
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:02,400
her disagree with her if you want to ask

2319
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,719
her to answer to these new facts that's

2320
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,320
one thing but just keep it respectful

2321
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:08,400
there's no reason to take it to the

2322
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,320
schoolyard level

2323
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,719
yeah yeah i agree with you well i want

2324
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:14,560
to thank you manny and i want to i want

2325
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:15,600
to remind everybody we'll give him

2326
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:19,760
another plug it's who's lou movie.com or

2327
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,800
search on youtube for area 503 and look

2328
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,639
for his video with the most views that

2329
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:26,480
would be the who's loom movie it's free

2330
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,440
to watch on on youtube it's also an

2331
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,679
odyssey we had you guys had a backing up

2332
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,000
there which i was glad to see

2333
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,320
due to uh you know people trying to

2334
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:38,880
cancel manny and his movie and that's

2335
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:41,199
not right so go over there who's lou

2336
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,600
movie dot com all the research material

2337
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,760
everything he talks about is all

2338
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,520
on the website and you can watch the

2339
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:49,920
movie and on who's the movie dot com for

2340
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:52,880
free as well it costs nothing and uh

2341
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,920
it's good to in to ask questions and and

2342
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:57,840
support people who are asking the tough

2343
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,199
questions lou elizondo won't come here

2344
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:03,679
or appear with manny and answer these

2345
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,760
questions so manny asked the questions

2346
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,159
publicly and so far

2347
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,040
uh blue elizondo has not

2348
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,120
answered any of these questions

2349
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:15,120
uh which leads me to believe that manny

2350
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:16,800
may be right over the target with a lot

2351
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:20,880
of his uh interpretation of the evidence

2352
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,719
whose little movie.com make sure you

2353
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,800
support him guys

2354
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:26,639
thanks guys and support other people

2355
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,639
like stephen cambion and charlie weiser

2356
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:30,159
who are out there doing

2357
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,320
good research in the name of truth and

2358
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,760
just getting it out there you know like

2359
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:35,440
none of us has a financial interest in

2360
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,040
this this is about getting the truth out

2361
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:39,120
so make sure that you guys are out there

2362
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,480
supporting people like that go give

2363
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,960
charlie a subscribe and and support

2364
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:44,239
support their work in any way that you

2365
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,600
can

2366
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:46,800
yeah all right well i'm going to throw

2367
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:48,480
you out here

2368
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,639
thank you for your participation good

2369
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,800
night all right friends what can i say

2370
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,320
uh

2371
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:56,639
you wanted an update we finally have one

2372
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:59,520
to bring to you i'm sorry it may not be

2373
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,560
the

2374
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:02,480
it may not be what you guys wanted to

2375
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,520
hear

2376
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,760
uh some of you have been following the

2377
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,000
story and are big believers in australia

2378
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,239
others have been more skeptical

2379
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:13,199
and uh maybe this outcome is exactly

2380
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:14,800
what you expected

2381
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,679
um

2382
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,080
me i still wish her the best and i'm

2383
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:20,159
hopeful that uh maybe she'll come here

2384
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:21,679
and and talk about these recent

2385
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,239
revelations she's welcome to do that we

2386
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:26,159
have an open door policy for her and

2387
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:27,840
many others here anybody that we talk

2388
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:28,719
about

2389
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,239
really is free to come here and have a

2390
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:32,159
conversation with us

2391
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:34,639
so what else can i say thank you all for

2392
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,840
uh for joining us tonight thanks to our

2393
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:39,840
kind and generous patreon supporters

2394
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,719
paypal donators uh cash app it's truth

2395
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,000
seeker show

2396
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,080
or super chatters we appreciate that

2397
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:48,480
being a viewer supported show and i'm

2398
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,920
always happy when there's an audience so

2399
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,280
glad you could come here tonight and be

2400
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,760
a part of mine friends until next time

2401
01:24:00,710 --> 01:23:55,840
my name is stephen campion good night

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01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:21,990
[Music]

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01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:26,750
so

2404
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:33,990
[Music]

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01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,400
so

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01:25:21,050 --> 01:24:49,990
[Music]

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01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:21,060
[Applause]

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01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:05,730
so